Comments on: 20-second movie clip = one year in jail http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/ Author of Nanny State Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:27:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: ramona http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-124 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:55:53 +0000 http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-124 <blockquote cite="Three or so really quick comments in total support of the movie industry and of the prosecution of this woman. Could it be that that same industry monitors blogs and other news sources and posts pro-industry comments?"> Translation: "I've got no logical argument against these commenters, so I've got to resort to claiming they're industry shills and throw a little conspiracy-mongering for good measure. Nobody here is bright enough to notice my Super Genius sleight of hand."

Translation: “I’ve got no logical argument against these commenters, so I’ve got to resort to claiming they’re industry shills and throw a little conspiracy-mongering for good measure. Nobody here is bright enough to notice my Super Genius sleight of hand.”

]]> by: JayKay http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-107 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:25:42 +0000 http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-107 &#62; Why is this mutually exclusive? This argument seems to be that because the product stinks, it's OK to steal it. I'm sure you don't really believe that, but it's not a big leap to that conclusion. Would it be permissible to charge this woman if she were taping a new release that is instantly recognized as a classic? >

Why is this mutually exclusive? This argument seems to be that because the product stinks, it’s OK to steal it. I’m sure you don’t really believe that, but it’s not a big leap to that conclusion. Would it be permissible to charge this woman if she were taping a new release that is instantly recognized as a classic?

]]> by: Chris http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-106 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:55:16 +0000 http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-106 Three or so really quick comments in total support of the movie industry and of the prosecution of this woman. Could it be that that same industry monitors blogs and other news sources and posts pro-industry comments? Not so far fetched an idea seeing as how the RIAA pays people to troll supposed music sharing sites. Three or so really quick comments in total support of the movie industry and of the prosecution of this woman. Could it be that that same industry monitors blogs and other news sources and posts pro-industry comments? Not so far fetched an idea seeing as how the RIAA pays people to troll supposed music sharing sites.

]]> by: Dave Riggs http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-103 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 00:55:52 +0000 http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-103 On of the innumerated aspects of Copyright law is "fair use"; it includes verbatim quotes, for example, in reviews, your right to make archivial copies of media you purchase, etc. I would think that a 20 second clip used to encourage a potential patron to actually go see a movie would be "fair use." If it were me, that would be my story and I'd stick to it!! On of the innumerated aspects of Copyright law is “fair use”; it includes verbatim quotes, for example, in reviews, your right to make archivial copies of media you purchase, etc. I would think that a 20 second clip used to encourage a potential patron to actually go see a movie would be “fair use.” If it were me, that would be my story and I’d stick to it!!

]]> by: Kirk Parker http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-101 Sun, 05 Aug 2007 05:16:02 +0000 http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-101 GW Crawford, You don't say exactly <i>what</i> you do in the entertainment industry, but I'll bet you a large virtual sum that it's not "IP attorney" or anything remotely near that. I say this because your statement "you cannot just pick a clip and use it" is completely wrong. <i>The whole point of "fair use"</i> is that it <i>doesn't</i> require either permission from, or notification to, the copyright holder. GW Crawford,

You don’t say exactly what you do in the entertainment industry, but I’ll bet you a large virtual sum that it’s not “IP attorney” or anything remotely near that. I say this because your statement “you cannot just pick a clip and use it” is completely wrong. The whole point of “fair use” is that it doesn’t require either permission from, or notification to, the copyright holder.

]]> by: fox3 http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-98 Sat, 04 Aug 2007 17:04:04 +0000 http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-98 There are still people out there that feed the entertainment mafias? Wow. Gave up movies, music and theaters, why support thugs who constantly turn out crap and then there are those things that live in a make believe world who pass for news. Sad state of affairs. The inmates have taken over far more than the asylum. There are still people out there that feed the entertainment mafias? Wow.

Gave up movies, music and theaters, why support thugs who constantly turn out crap and then there are those things that live in a make believe world who pass for news. Sad state of affairs.

The inmates have taken over far more than the asylum.

]]> by: RegalBeagle http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-97 Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:01:25 +0000 http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-97 Nice going, Regal Cinemas. You just "barred me for life", too. I suspect the same goes for a lot of other people. Nice going, Regal Cinemas. You just “barred me for life”, too.

I suspect the same goes for a lot of other people.

]]> by: Peter http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-96 Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:40:17 +0000 http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-96 There was once a time when really bad businessmen and really stupid lawyers were coated with tar and feathers, tied to fence rails and run out of town in front of everyone. It had a salutory effect. There would not be a Nifong, or a Lisle if we still had tar, feathers, fence rails and the people to assemble them. There was once a time when really bad businessmen and really stupid lawyers were coated with tar and feathers, tied to fence rails and run out of town in front of everyone.
It had a salutory effect. There would not be a Nifong, or a Lisle if we still had tar, feathers, fence rails and the people to assemble them.

]]> by: GW Crawford http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-95 Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:32:18 +0000 http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-95 Speaking as someone who works in the entertainment industry I can say she has broke the law without distributing the clip What she has done is a mechanical reproduction, which would require licensing. People might say 'fair use' but in pretty much all of those, the clip is chosen ahead of time; you cannot just picka clip and use it Now, is the theatre overreacting? A bit, yes Is this another sign of the death of common sense? HELL YES! Horrific crimes are excused, minor crimes are blown up, DA's become personally sympathetic of the accuser (Soccer team 'rape') This is what happens when you let 'feelings' take rule over 'thought' Speaking as someone who works in the entertainment industry I can say she has broke the law without distributing the clip
What she has done is a mechanical reproduction, which would require licensing.
People might say ‘fair use’ but in pretty much all of those, the clip is chosen ahead of time; you cannot just picka clip and use it
Now, is the theatre overreacting? A bit, yes
Is this another sign of the death of common sense?
HELL YES!
Horrific crimes are excused, minor crimes are blown up, DA’s become personally sympathetic of the accuser (Soccer team ‘rape’)
This is what happens when you let ‘feelings’ take rule over ‘thought’

]]> by: pdq332 http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-94 Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:14:13 +0000 http://davidharsanyi.com/blog/2007/08/03/20-second-movie-clip-year-in-jail/#comment-94 If the price of producing high quality audio/video content is the creation of a police state monitoring us 24/7, ruining people financially and throwing them in jail for "fair use", then the price is too high. I can do without Star Wars, Britney Spears, Transformers, etc. The freedom of Jhannet Sejas is infinitely more important to me. If movie studios and recording conglomerates stop making because they can't control distribution, and put dog leashes around all of our necks, so be it. Smoking was OK once long ago, but it is gradually becoming outlawed as we realized the consequences of smoking. Let's put movie studios and record companies on the same path because what they do is so harmful to our society. If the price of producing high quality audio/video content is the creation of a police state monitoring us 24/7, ruining people financially and throwing them in jail for “fair use”, then the price is too high.

I can do without Star Wars, Britney Spears, Transformers, etc. The freedom of Jhannet Sejas is infinitely more important to me. If movie studios and recording conglomerates stop making because they can’t control distribution, and put dog leashes around all of our necks, so be it.

Smoking was OK once long ago, but it is gradually becoming outlawed as we realized the consequences of smoking. Let’s put movie studios and record companies on the same path because what they do is so harmful to our society.

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